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Posted Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:08 PM


 

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Hi everyone. I have written on here before about my daughter Kaylee who is 2.5 yrs old and diagnosed with poly articular JRA in March 09. She is still suffering from a bad flare and no end in sight. She has it in both knees, both ankles and 4 of 5 fingers in her right hand. We have tried Naproxyn and Mobic and a a little tiny bit of relief from Mobic but not much. We went to her Rheumy on 5/26 and he strongly encouraged us to go with Humira. He is not one that likes Methotrexate because he says it stops cell growth and that is bad for children her age who are growing alot during this time. So he suggested Humira. We have enrolled her in a test study that she can participate in until she is over the weight requirement of 33 pounds. She is about 27.9 or almost 28 right now but is barely eating and I struggle with getting her to eat and sustain her weight so we should be int he study for at least a few months. He said Kaylee has a severe case of JRA that he has not seen much and that this is the route he suggested we take. We had to postpone her first injection twice because she got a high fever and croup right after we got home from out appt. She is finally better and tomorrow is the day. My husband and I are scared to death and we just hope and pray that this helps her and puts her in remission and doesn't cause her any long term side effects or damage and we are scared out of our minds of cancer. But it is like our hands are tied and we have no choice but to try something as nothing has helped at this point and my baby is suffering. She can barely walk and will not bend her knees, it is heartbreaking to watch a vivacious 2.5 yr old walk like a child who just barely learned how to walk for the first time. Please tell me we are doing the right thing and that this will help her. The Dr said that 2/3 of the patients on Humira get relief. What if she is the 1/3 that doesn't? Then what? Going out of my mind with worrry. Thanks so much for all of you that have been supporting me these last few months and providing me with your insight and sharing your stories they have been extremely helpful to me. I just feel like I am losing my mind these days and can barely keep it all together. Is anyone else here on Humira? It seems like most are on Methotrexate or Methotrex and Embrel. Thanks so much in advance.

Karen
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Posted Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:58 PM


 

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I can't give you advice on the meds, just wanted to say, take a deep breath. Don't freak out until you have to. Why use up all the energy stressing out now about what happens if this doesn't work when most likely it will? Save your energy for when you need it.

And if this doesn't work, you will try another med. You haven't reached the end of the line yet by far.

Have a good cry, and then take a deep breath, and try to be strong for another day.

Whatever will be will be.

Use your energy to love your little girl and give her your strength. She needs you to be strong for her and that is the best thing you can do right now.

Good luck.
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Posted Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:55 PM


 

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Karen - I am an adult and was diagnosed with adult onset RA.  I had joint pain as a child - but back then the doc's called it "growing pains."  First, let me tell you that your little Kaylee is a very strong little girl to be going through this as well as she is.  I cannot imagine the worry you must have for her.  But I do agree with the above post, don't borrow trouble.  Sometimes you just have to live it from day to day.  I have a cousin who takes Humira for her RA and, though she's an adult, has had wonderful results from it.  Let's trust that God is directing your doctor in the right direction for Kaylee and that it will help her, too.  I've seen children with JRA come through it - and actually go into remission.  We'll pray for that with Kaylee, too.  Don't second guess yourself.  It sounds like you're doing everything you can to help her.  Are you trying relaxation techniques with her?  If not, try soothing music, warm baths, and gentle massages.  Tomorrow will be a better day.  Kaylee will be in my daily prayers.  Pam
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Posted Monday, June 08, 2009 12:11 AM


 

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I agree with your rheumatologist about avoiding Methotrexate and using Humira but I do wonder if it would also be possible to use Sulfasalazine or Plaquenil.  These are both RA medications and they work in quite different ways from Methotrexate so they may be OK for a small child.  I'm not medically trained but these are suggestions that you might want to discuss with your doctor.  God bless.

Age 82, diagnosed RA 12/2001, married since 1952, 4 sons no daughters, 4 grandsons 1 granddaughter.  Doing well on Methotrexate and Remicade.
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Posted Monday, June 08, 2009 10:38 AM


 

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I remember how worried I was in the beginning too. People told me every day not to waste my strength and energy, but still I had so many sleepless nights. It is normal to feel that way, but if you can find it in you to just trust that this will get better and focus on one day at a time, you will both come through this stronger and more bonded than ever. If this medication doesn't work, they WILL find something that does. You are doing the right thing. You haven't come to the part yet where you see your child feeling better. When that day comes, you will feel better about your decisions and things will calm down again. Eventually, you will get back to worrying about regular things again, like not wanting to go to work Monday. I know it seems like you are helpless in this situation, but the choices you are making are going to make her well again. It just takes time.
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Posted Monday, June 08, 2009 11:10 AM


 

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All the best with this today.  I hope and pray your daughter does get relief from Humira...and quickly. 
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Posted Monday, June 08, 2009 1:21 PM


 

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Karen - I hope the humira injection went well or goes well.  I certainly do completely understand where you are coming from.  My daughter, Anna, age 5, has poly JRA - diagnosed at just under 2 years.  She has been on mtx and enbrel for past 2+ years.  This spring her condition worsened and she was taken off enbrel and put on humira ( she weighs 34 lbs).  She has been on it for approx 7 weeks - we give injection once every other week.  I was so scared to put her on it as I could not find a lot of response from parents with children on humira.  I talked to several adults about it and got info on side effects and pain with injection.  I, like you, felt we had no choice- Anna's condition was worsening.  We have seen some improvement recently, but she is still flaring.  rheum said could take 8 weeks for full effect. 

A couple of tips with the injections - ice the injection site beforehand.  Take the meds out of frig and allow to warm up a bit (about 15 - 20 minutes) before injecting.  Ice after.  The ice I really think is a distraction for them.  Anna is typically great with her injections - at one point she was up to 4 a week - no arguing no crying.  The humira is a different story unfortunately.  Hopefully dr warned you it may be a bit painful.  The meds have some preservative in it that causes pain/burning when injected.  Anna doesn't cry with the needle pinch - she cries however once I push the meds...it only last 10 - 20 seconds.  It was and is very difficult for us to give her this shot as I know that she will scream and cry and that it hurts her - particularly when previously she did not even peep...but if it works and she can be painfree - it will be worth it.  Our Rheum told us there would be some discomfort with the injection - discomfort is not a great description for Anna's reaction - I was not prepared for her reaction to it - so I want you to be prepared.  I have heard from adults on humira - some have no pain, others have some and others have severe pain - I really think it depends on pain tolerance and the individual...hopefully your child will have no reaction.

Good luck - and keep me posted - I am interested to hear from another parent of a child who is on humira - I was feeling a bit alone on this one...

Megan

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Posted Monday, June 08, 2009 9:40 PM


 

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Thank God for Humira. I got my life back and pain went away for the most part. Been on it for years and really know it can help your life and pain level.
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Posted Monday, June 08, 2009 10:31 PM


 

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Well we did it. Kaylee had her injection today and so far so good, no reaction or even redness or swelling at the injection site which the Rhemy said can happen. It was scary for us to do this but had no choice. The Dr and nurse and study cordinator were all very kind to us and that meant alot. I wanted to give K the shot in the office under the supervision of the Dr and Nurse but my husband wanted them to do the first one. I am glad they did. Laura you were so right about the pain from the injection. Good grief that was pretty bad. The ##### wasn't too bad and I was mainly focusing on the nurse pushing the meds in but my husband watched K's face the entire time and she really screamed out in pain and got all sweaty. It took a bit of time to calm her down from that. The Dr did warn us that the injection burns when it goes in but I wonder how bad it really is because it looked like it really did. We go back in two weeks for a test study exam and the next shot. I will do it this time and then after that we go back every month so I will definately have to know how to give it at home. I have given myself subcu shots before so I know pretty much how to do it but I am sure it will be different doing it on my baby and hurting her. Ugh I dread it. The Dr said to not get our hopes up as it may take about 2 shots before we see any improvement. We do it every two weeks. I want improvement yesterday so it is going to be hard to wait for results but I will try to be patient as best I can. Laura I wanted to ask even back when your daughter was first diagnosed and on methotrex and embrel did she go to daycare? Did you notice her get sicker being on those immune system lowering drugs? What about now on Humira and in school, is she getting sick alot? K is in daycare and that is my main worry right now that she will get sick more than she does now and she gets sick alot now. Also what did your Dr say to do if she goes get sick with a fever??? Rush her to the ER or DR and ask for antibotics or wait it out and see if she responds to Tylenol first and if really sick then call the DR? Again thanks to all who responded to my frantic post today. It really helps knowing that others know exactly how I feel and the hell that this is to go thru. Oh and Barney thanks so much for sharing that you are doing great on Humira, boy did that boost my spirits. I am so happy for you and I sure hope it works just as well for Kaylee.

Karen
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Posted Monday, June 08, 2009 11:20 PM


 

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hi karen!  i'm so glad the first shot is over and done with.  i remember that feeling all too well...we've been giving brianna injections now since december, and it does get easier.  she's on mtx and enbrel, and she gets weekly injections of both.  we find that the ethyl chloride spray is awesome.  it's a spray that is a "refrigerant," so it kinda freezes the skin before you inject.  the nice thing about it, is that you spray it on immediately before the shots.  no need to wait an hour, as with the emla cream. 

also, we were so paranoid about her getting sick more often, and more severely, and while she certainly has gotten sick since being on the meds, our rheumy always advises us to just call our pediatrician.  the way our rheumy explained it, while our children are theoretically immunosuppressed, unless they (God forbid) acquire a major infection like TB, or the equivalent, they can pretty much handle the regular stuff.  in our experience brianna's fevers may run a bit higher when she gets a virus, but the treatment for her is the same as any other kid (unless the symptoms don't respond to good ole tylenol and motrin).  i think we generally want to avoid antibiotics unless there is an actual bacterial infection confirmed...i just remember being so terrified, and i called the rheumy a handful of times when she was sick, only to have them tell us to have the pediatrician check her out.  in other words, there was never really a concern about the regular viruses.  oh, and my 4 year old son is in school, so she's exposed to all kinds of stuff. 

you are doing great!  you hang in there, and take a deep breath, and you will see how things will change when your baby gets to feeling better.  i hope and pray that happens soon, soon, soon! in fact, i know it will.  thanks for your update...

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Posted Monday, June 08, 2009 11:43 PM


 

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Karen:  I'm so glad to hear that Kaylee's got the first injection behind her!  Things will work out and many prayers will continue to be said for her.  Stay strong and try to get some rest yourself.  She will need you there.  Pam
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Posted Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:36 PM


 

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Karen - I am glad the first injection went well and that you had the comfort of being with the nurses and doctor.  It helps.  With regard to the pain with the meds - it is not the needle going in - it is clearly the meds.  I have read a string on the adult posts about Humira and as I indicated yesterday some describe it as quite painful - but thankfully it does not last.

We asked our rheum about the emla cream and the ethyl chloride spray - he indicated neither would really help with humira other than a slight distratction because the pain again is not the actuall needle, but the push of the meds...I know for my daughter eveytime I give her an injection she asks which one - and her mood reacts accordingly.  She is five and certainly doesn't like it all - but she also likes to run and play - so we reason with her a bit and tell her that without the "bad shot" she won't feel well enough to run around - that seems to swayher a bit.  But either way - she still screams and cries - it is heart wrenching - trust me I understand - but again it is for their best and it does not last - the long term effects are so much better.

Anna is in daycare - she starts kindergarten in the Fall.  She does get her share of illnesses etc, but we are very mindful of any posting at the school - depending upon what the illness is we may keep her home during an outbreak at school etc.  Also, we were told with the mtx and I assume with humira not to give the injections if she were running a fever - we have had to miss a few injections of mtx over the past few years because of that.

I honestly do not think that Anna gets sick more often than the other kids at school - although maybe it lasts a bit longer if she does get something.

We discussed taking her out of daycare and getting a nanny or one of us staying home, but decided that really Anna loved the daycare setting - she likes all the kids and activities - so we didn't want to take that away from her - we want her to feel like any other kid - she's just a normal kid with JRA.

Keep me posted on your daughter's progress and I will with Anna - she gets injection 5 this week of humira.  We are starting to see improvement again - which is good news!

Talk to you soon

Megan (Laura)

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Having read all of the above comments and read what wonderful support you are I wonder if I could ask for help myself from you all..... I'm a 53 year old woman living in Australia who was diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis and I'm now taking both Humira (40mg) and Methorexate (10mg). I've been on these two together for the past 5 weeks and not feeling very well on the odd day here and there. Either sickness or as in the case these pass few days huge aches and pains, tiredness and generally run down with no engery.  Are these side effects that anyone else has suffered while on the same medication?  I've tried researching the effects of both drugs together but found nothing for the condition I have.  I would be so grateful if anyone could let me know if they too are on both, having the same effects etc.  I'm finding the whole thing very distressing these days, I don't know what a normal body feels like these days.  My specialist has tried everything in the book to help me with the last of my pain (being in my foot) to no avail so far. I'm in pain 224/7 and I've not worn an enclosed shoe for 14 months (not funny in the winter months) and walk like an 80 year old limping everywhere. My husband said I should use a stick as I'm so unsteady on my feet now as they are so weak - not something I'm ready for as I've already got a disabled sticker and that's enough, although very helpful. I've fallen once last year and ended up in accident and emergency!!  Depression has now set in and feeling low and we are now discussing (that's myself and the specialist) that this may be as good as they can get me.... Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas that may have helped them, which in turn I can try. I would like to thank you well in advance for anything anyone has to contribute.....
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Posted Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:42 AM


 

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Margaret,

I'm not positive about this, but I think adults have to take a higher dosage than children which might account for your feeling run down and ill from the meds. 5 weeks might not be long enough for the meds to be fully working and your doctor may need to still make adjustments to your dosage. I know you have been dealing with the pain for a long time, but I wouldn't feel discouraged just yet... I think you need to give the meds a little more time to work and your body more time to get used to the meds. There is a website called stillsdisease.org. They are all talking about a different type of arthritis, but they do take the same meds and talk about that a lot on the board. It might be worth it to post there too.  

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Posted Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:09 PM


 

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Margaret - I can respond by giving you my observations of my daughter (age 5) who is on methotrexate and humira.  She has been on the mtx for about 3 years.  She has only been on the humira since the beginning of April.  With the mtx she is tired the day after her injection - I tend to give it to her at night so she sleeps most of it off - but we do notice that she is just not herself the day after the injection.  With the humira - honestly, I am not certain we are seeing all the results yet - her dr said it could take up to 8 weeks to see results.  She does have more good days than bad, but I do notice that as she gets into her second week (we give injection every other week) before the next injection, she is in in discomfort, irritable and swelling in some of her joints.  Her dr thinks that with adjustment of her dosage she will respond better.

Another side effect we noticed with the humira is that she complains of chest pains  and headaches within 24 - 48 hours of injection - but they don't last.  Dr also said he is not sure it is related to the meds.

I wish you all the best with this

Megan

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Posted Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:42 PM


 

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I can't help you directly but on this board there is also a forum on Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA Connect) and you are likely to get some useful information there.  It is a very active forum.  I hope you get relief.  God bless.

Age 82, diagnosed RA 12/2001, married since 1952, 4 sons no daughters, 4 grandsons 1 granddaughter.  Doing well on Methotrexate and Remicade.
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To all those wonderful people that replied to me, THANK YOU.  For the first time in a long time I don't feel alone with this condition. Your comments were all helpful in one way or another. I've looked at all the sites recommended and all were very informative especially the RA connect one, which will take a long time to go through but full of great links to other sites.  I'm so glad I joined this forum and have always believed that a hand will guide you to where ever you need to go when things are tough, they did and it brought me to you all. So once again thank you.  I'm mentally feeling better today already and realise that one day at a time is all I can do and to stop being the control freak I am over this. I will just go with the flow for now and be patient and wait for the meds to kick in. I see my specialist again in a couple of weeks so we'll see what he has to say then.

 I will keep you all posted a problem shared is a problem halved and good thoughts go to you all along with good health and thank you for your prayers.

Margaret

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Hello to one and all, I've just had yet another check up with my specialist.  Since seeing him last he has taken my case to a forum in Europe, unfortunately no new treatments where recommended other than as my condition hasn't improved in other joints with humira maybe we should try another form of treatment.  As and when I return from a holiday overseas soon I will be put under the care of a hospital nearby where I will go and have Remicade administered.  Does anyone have any knowledge of this drug or maybe even going through treatment themselves?  I understand that it involves a morning in the day surgery area and having an IV over a period of 4 hours.  It makes sense to have the drug go straight into the blood system rather than just into the body through the stomach. I would appreciate any information anyone has or questions they think I should ask before going on it.

I look forward to hearing from some of you in due course and hope that all your treatments are going well.

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This forum is mostly for parents of children with a form of RA and there is another forum for adults (and open to anyone).  That is Rheumatoid Arthritis or RA Connect.  That's where I usually post because my "baby" is 49 and thus older than most of those who post here.

I'm on Remicade and have been since 2002 with very good success.  Mine is given in a doctor's office and usually takes about 3 hours.  My wife usually goes with me in case I don't feel like driving home but I tell her it is not necessary because I do fine.  Well, maybe for the first few infusions I did feel a little spacey after the infusion but now I have no after effects.  I've had almost 50 infusions over the years and three times they tried to infuse it too fast and I got nauseated or spacey.  When they slowed the infusion down there was no more problem and I never have had any side effects after leaving the infusion room.

Biologics like Remicade are proteins and if they go through the stomach the body treats them as food so they are digested, and nobody wants to spend a few thousand dollars for less than a gram of food that is not even a delicacy.  I hope it works well for you.  God bless.

Age 82, diagnosed RA 12/2001, married since 1952, 4 sons no daughters, 4 grandsons 1 granddaughter.  Doing well on Methotrexate and Remicade.

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Hi!  I'm glad you got a few shots out of the way!  I hope that things are going better for you now?  I just wanted to throw in my two cents on a few things.

I've been giving my 7 year old injections since she had just turned 6.  Our doctor prescribes us Embla cream to put on the injection sight before we do the injection.  It helps to numb the area.  Emily can still feel some burning, but it's better.  When we first started injecting her she would scream and cry so badly!  We first gave her Methotrexate once a week.  It took a few weeks, but eventually she knew that it was helping and she screamed less.  Currently she gets Enbrel twice a week, and sometimes she'll even ask if she can have her shot. 

I can totally relate to being so nervous and worried about it all.  Let me tell ya' that our kids are very, very strong.  I used to see my little girl as very fragile (mentally).  She had very high anxieties, and many quirks and eccentricities.  Once we found out what was really happening and started treatments her entire personality changed.  She is still a very sweet, sensitive girl, but she's not so anxious, she's louder and more likely to speak her mind.  She's taking charge, because she knows that she can get through it all.  I know that your child is young, but one thing that we've done is be very honest.  I tell Emily everything that's going on that affects her.  I feel that she feels more in control knowing what's up instead of worrying about what may be coming.  And she's stronger than I sometimes remember to give her credit for.  When we left her at arthritis camp during the last week of June I cried... not her at all.  I was a wreck!  Sick kids are special in ways that I don't quite know that we can understand.  They just need extra love and understanding.  And you are allowed to be a wreck!  Just know that it doesn't really help much.  I kind of just expect the worst, or nothing.  Generally I'm pleasantly surprised.  It sucks and it's crazy, but at least it's not leukemia.

Last thing... before she started Enbrel she was sick all the time!  Not just sinus infections and stomach bugs, but she was getting these blisters and sometimes they would try to form into staph infections.  Since starting Enbrel she's been sick less often than my son or my other daughter, who is almost 15!  She started in in November- well away from the end of the school year.  She's got more range now than we thought possible.  She's tackling her brother on her good days!  Last year she didn't want anyone touching her.  Now she's running up to people to hug them.  These medicines are huge breakthroughs, and kids deserve to be kids.  Doing the injections is an act of love.  One that no parent should have to do, but definitely an act of love.  When she's a bit older she'll appreciate all that you have done.  I hope that this finds her (and you!) feeling much better 

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