http://www.drmirkin.com/joints/8762.html

Pip

You are absolutely right on. Reactive arthritis can and is treated with antibiotics, no news there, has been for a long time. Reactive arthrits is totally different from rheumatoid arthritis.

Pip,

Do you have mild, moderate or severe rheumatoid arthritis?

Ron

There are those in medicine that believe ALL arthritis (and Lupus, AS, MS, especially Crohn's, basically ALL autoimmune diseases) are not the result of your body mysteriously attacking itself but is instead the result of intracellular infection.  Years ago, Dr. Thomas MacPherson Brown (worked down the hall from Jonas Salk) began trying to prove this theory but couldn't because mycoplasma are incredibly difficult to culture and they couldn't 'see' them.  For more information, you might consider getting "The New Arthritis Breakthrough" by Henry Scammell available on Amazon or some libraries.  Anyway, fast forward 50 years and they discovered the Darkfield microscope and indeed found these microbes living in the white blood cells of people with AI disease.  The very cells designed to fight 'infection'.  These cell wall deficient (CWD) are what more and more scientists are coming to believe is causing chronic illness. 

Anyway, Dr. Brown began treating RA with low doses of tetracyclines and pulsing the dose.  Basically, MWF, give the med time to get out of the body, lure the microbes out of the cells. and hit them again.  And people began to get better. 

Since I was diagnosed with RA, rediagnosed as PRA, upgraded later back to RA (feels different than PRA) and have been on Minocycline, I have reversed my disease back to PRA. 

I have always said that we're fighting a microbe with stones and hammers and we NEED a targeted antibiotic which will kill the microbe and leave the good gut flora intact.  This is the reason APers (antibiotic protocol people) need to constantly replenish their good gut flora with probiotics (and why AP can fail if they don't).  Minocycline (the AP antibiotic of choice, Lupus people use doxycycline) kills the good gut flora too.

So, what was so incredibly fascinating about this article is that they found that e coli is a necessary part of the immune system and that antibiotics kill them.  But vancomycin and metronidazole don't. 

And he used the word "CURE"!

Since only 10% of APers go medicine free - I intend to be in that group - this is probably the reason why!!!  And we're not talking just 'remission' here - we're talking CURE!

Another really fascinating aspect, as usual, is that this research was carried out in a universal health care country.  In this case, the Netherlands.  This is probably the main reason I'm so into universal health care - because in order to keep costs down, they're going to have to start finding 'cures'.  All the really great research that can lead to the cure is coming out of universal health care countries.  Israel.  The UK.  Austrailia (some, they still use gold).  The cure, IMHO, is NOT coming out of the USA - there is just too much profitability in finding 'therapies' and very little profit in 'cure'.  Think diabetes - everyday you take a shot.  For us, we take meds costing $1000's of dollars a MONTH - just to stay active.  But how many of us go back to work once we're disabled?  Maybe 1 in a 1000?  I'll go get the info off of the CDC website. 

So, in answer to your question - this is beyond HUGE! 

Reactive arthritis is definitely a bacteria.  Osteo is a nanobacteria which they've just proved is 'alive' that's how small it is.  But mycoplasma, protozoans, other infectious causes are CWD and now we have a better weapon! 

Hugs,

Pip

You are sort of jumping around alot and so it's hard to understand you. So do you have rheumatoid arthritis or were you "cured" of rheumatoid arthritis? What is PRA?

You say that "There are those in medicine that believe ALL arthritis (and Lupus, AS, MS, especially Crohn's, basically ALL autoimmune diseases) are not the result of your body mysteriously attacking itself but is instead the result of intracellular infection." Could you post the proof of this or is it just threory. I am very interested in "cures" for rheumatoid arthritis but would prefer medical evidence rather than theory and IMHO. In my honest opinion, when it comes to rheumatoid arthritis and cures, there should be no place for IMHO. I have searched the web for proof of what you say and I can't find it. The American College of Rheumatology doesn't agree with what you say. I spent hundreds of dollars on "cures" before getting smart enough to listen to my rheumatologists. No telling how much damge I did to my joints and bones listening to testimonials about "miracle cures". What I should have been aware of was the disclaimers freeing them from liability if the cures were not cures and I damaged my body. i did read that studies have shown that those with rheumatoid arthrit that take antibiotics, continue to have bone and joint damage. You can read it at this site. It is in the rheumatoid arthritis section: http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/162/13/1833#R9-16

Good luck with your PRA

Do you have RA?  Or another version of arthritis?

Pip

Do you have periodontal disease?  I did but don't anymore from my Mino!  Glad you're in remission tho!  How long have you been there?

Katavistic -

I was totally pro-USA medicine and am ashamed to say that only 3 years ago, when first diagnosed, I 'threw out' any research not American.  But over time and after learning so much about RA/AI diseases, I tend to count the out of country research much more heavily NOW than the stuff in the USA.  Too many undisclosed conflicts of interest, company or political shenanigans etc.  Truly, what you say is true, the cutting edge stuff isn't coming from here and the stuff that could be gets ignored.  (Don't get be going on the hypothsis that the appendix houses samples to reboot the gut - OMG - that could be our cure).  Anyway, now I check a lot of the European stuff or anything in universal healthcare countries.  Do you know if there is something that is the equivalent of Pubmed for Europe?  A lot gets run thru Pubmed...but not all of it, so I'd like a RSS feed if possible.  Also, is it true that in Europe supplements are covered under a national health plan like in Canada?

Hugs,

Pip

Yes, probiotics would help with constipation.  Yogurt, at least the stuff in America, is pasturized.  So, we kill the good stuff we need to make it 'safe'.  Then they add in one strain of probiotics, usually acidophilous, and call it good.  I use a brand called Solaray Multidophilus 12, which has 12 different strains and another by Nutragenics which has saccromyces boularrdii (spelling).  The key to probiotics is the most 'live' encapsulations and the most strains in one pill.  I think my Solaray has 20 (30???) Billion per cap.  You're not going to get that in yogurt.

Some of the research I've seen says the body has only so much water in it.  Some either goes into the cells or it goes into the stool.  So, in theory, you can be constipated, or have diarrhea, and it's the same thing - not enough 'bulk'.  You can get 'bulk' with metamuscal, but it's not going to be helping the same way probiotics do - ie, cutting inflammation etc.

Does that help?

Hugs,

Pip

PS - yeah about your remission!  Do you feel like you did 'before'?

Are you the same "Pip!" on the Roadback forum?

If I recall correctly, you do NOT have rheumatoid arthritis and are a big advocate of AP and try to get everyone to go on AP regardless of their type of arthritis, right?  I think what that forum is doing is dangerous, IMHO.

For anyone who would like to read all of it for yourself, including pip's posts, here is the link:

http://www.rbfbb.org/

Hugs,

~TS~

"In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it - thou art a fool."  Lord Chesterfield

Warning - explict language.  If some people get upset at this - or they delete because I've posted this, please PM me here, I have copies of the entire, unedited version.

http://arthritisinsight.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22852

I have reported your post here.

Understand Texas, that another member on that board has started litigation for harrassment.  Others, and myself, are considering joining her.  Some have been sending information to various agencies, including the FDA, the FTC, the Senate Finance Committee, and various newspaper organizations.  Some of these 'players' seem to be quite interested in these shenanigians in regards to marketing and others in regards to harrassment of the disabled. 

The FTC and the FDA are about to start taking public statements about abuse/use of the Internet for marketing purposes, specifically KOL's and COL's.

When a government agency wants your information - they're going to get it.  Isn't it fantastic that I kept copies of all the prior attacks by key people on the old AF board?  Or the other board you are a member of?  Doesn't matter if you deleted...I have the originals.

Oh, and the stuff Nikkilynn posted about the 'tech glich' here on AF which compromised the addresses and personal contact information during the board change over?  Which allowed some of the more disruptable members here to publish on another board?  You can song and dance all you want - I have the 'confession'.

So, drop this now.  I am an APer.  I recommend AP for anybody who wants the information.  It is a viable low-level DMARD.  And yes, it works for severe RA too.

Get over it.

Pip

In answer to your question, I have aggessive severe rheumatoid arthritis. Do you have mild, moderate or severe rheumatoid arthritis?

Granpa Van,

I have been looking for the clinical trials that prove what you and Pip are claiming. Will you please post those clinical trials. thank you in advance.

Ron

Once again, you must have missed this question also, are you telling us that you were cured of rheumatoid arthrits two times. My doctor said that he had never heard of anyone being cured of rheumatoid arthrits and would be very interested the history of your cure as would probably the whole scientific world. There were a few other questions that I asked and you didn't answer so if you could go back to my original post and start there with your answers. You probably just jumped over them. Thanks in advance.

LEV

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